So if asked, how do you identify?

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Mostly straight folk ask, trying to confirm I'm gay, which I'm not, and I hate havng to place myself into boxes for folk but...

My flippant answer is "I'm not gay but my boyfriend is" (truth).

The simple answer is "queer" but most straights don't really have a good grasp of that.

The short answer is "bisexual" but the straights and some gays keep probing after that one.

The long answer is something like "bisexual gay man in a life long het marriage to a gender queer" but that's way too confusing even for most queer folk.

So what do you all say when something, straight or queer, asks "Are you gay"?

Hugs,

Rig Daddy
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  • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

    Sun, April 5, 2009 - 10:19 PM
    People hardly ever ask. I am out enough that the word usually spreads
    in advance of my getting into that situation. Also my situation is simpler:
    a gay man who loves men. I'm not the least bit L,B,T,I,or Q, just G.
  • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

    Sun, April 5, 2009 - 10:34 PM
    I answer "sometimes" or "only on sundays" or "depends" with a kinda vague look on my face times I don't answer at all - I just shrug.
    • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

      Mon, April 6, 2009 - 9:26 AM
      Can you get away with being vague?

      The straights don't like vague answers, they don't like "bisexual" and want to probe that more, LOL.

      Hugs,

      Rig Daddy
      • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

        Mon, April 6, 2009 - 11:54 AM
        sometimes i answer "maybe" and they go "maybe?" and i reply "yeah, maybe! - why?" then the vague look often appears on their face.

        The question for me isn't whether i'm gay or not but who is asking and why? I certainly don't go around asking people "are you straight?" and if i like someone as a potential friend or acquaintance then their sexuality doesn't matter, besides i'll probably find out simply by getting to know them.

        As for "getting away with it" - If straights don't like "bisexual" (or anything else) that's their problem, not mine - it's also my business, not theirs.
        • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

          Mon, April 6, 2009 - 12:45 PM
          Mostly I get asked in straight social space and the folk are genuinely interested just from a friendly social standpoint though I have been hit on that way too.

          As I just started a new job last summer lots of people just sort of want to know about me. The see pictures of both a man and a woman on my desk. They're curious.

          The not liking bisexual bit is that often they don't have any stereo types to hook-up with the bi identity so they keep probing, trying to find something they are familiar with.

          -RD
  • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

    Mon, April 6, 2009 - 4:49 PM
    This question reminds me of a somewhat androgynous friend who would occasionally get asked, "Are you a man or a woman?"...

    His stock response was, "Are you asking me out?" to which the answer was invariably, "no."

    "Well, then, it doesn't really matter, does it?"

    (A huge room of his friends cracked up at his memorial service when someone reminisced that Chris, who had attended the local MCC congregation, if he didn't like the sermon, would loudly respond, "Thank God that's over!")
  • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

    Mon, April 6, 2009 - 6:16 PM
    Sometimes I say Im Omnisexual - or that I love people,they then try to say that is bisexual...I say potato......
    • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

      Wed, April 8, 2009 - 8:52 AM
      I often use Omnisexual as well. I dislike "bisexual" since it implies a binary system which is BS. I think "Omni" is better understood than "pan" We say "Omniovore" and omnipresent, so why not omnisexual?

      Hugs,

      RD
      • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

        Wed, September 16, 2009 - 12:09 AM
        I use bi-sexual for lack of a better, but I hate it as well. It seems rather trans-phobic to me somehow as well.

        I mostly just say I'm "queer," but there are times when it seems like specificity is needed.

        I'm also genderqueer, but I never have people ask me what my gender is, and honestly I could care less what pronoun someone uses to refer to me.
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    Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

    Wed, April 8, 2009 - 10:42 AM
    Are you queer?

    No.

    Are you gay?

    Yes.
    • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

      Wed, April 8, 2009 - 4:06 PM
      Who are all these labels for anyway...straight people? I'm gay, queer, whatever. To me there's no significant distinction.
      • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

        Wed, April 8, 2009 - 4:45 PM
        Yup, mostly I'm wondering what queer folk say to straight but maybe queer friendly or at least open and not homophobic.

        Hugs,

        RD
        • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

          Wed, April 8, 2009 - 7:30 PM
          Heh, I usually just say "I'm as Queer as they cum."
          • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

            Thu, April 30, 2009 - 10:30 AM
            I've always liked the word "queer" although I just looked it up in the dictionary and it has somewhat of a negative connotation towards gay men. I know it's all in how you say it but I'm not sure I'd like to label myself that, although in the literal sense I am, in fact "queer". I'm digging the word "omnisexual", and although I have never been with a women I think the response that "I love everyone" would work well. I'll give it a try the next time someone asks me.

            • Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

              Sat, May 9, 2009 - 3:05 AM

              Depending on who is asking and the situation (an earnest question from a peer versus a spurious question shouted from another vehicle in reference to a bumper sticker on my rig, for instance) it is sometimes useful to reply by asking what the questioner means.

              You mean "gay" in the political sense -since it is largely a political label?
              No, no --the usual reply comes-- "gay as in men who have sex with men."
              Ah! So, a man who has never had sex with another man cannot be gay? And men in prison who have sex with each other are all gay?
              No! No, er, I mean, well....

              The point made that it is not so simple a matter as may have been assumed, I reply that at various points in my life I have both been in love with and enjoyed sex with both men and women, and for a very long time my partner --together with whom I have raised our kids-- has been another man. What matters most to me is that my partnership and family are second class citizens without equality under the law, disenfranchised from civil marriage, equal immigration rights for spouses, open and proud service in the armed forces (including access to all the taxpayer-provided benefits which come with such, from college funding to VA medical care), so if others want to call me something then far more relevant and accurate as a functional descriptive than "gay" or "queer" or "bi" would be "second class citizen" -because this is truthfully the plain fact of the matter as my partner, kids, and I experience it day to day.

              By the way, when I am invited to heterosexual friends', coworkers', and relatives' weddings I congratulate them and decline, saying "When I can invite you to my wedding then I'll come to yours, but as much as I love weddings I have not been to one in over 30 years because I will not willingly watch others take advantage of a double-standard denying equality to me and my family, so thanks but no thanks." This one action, more than any other, has really rocked people back on their heels -and when it finally sinks in that I am not angry with them but rather with injustice, has really won over some among them as genuine allies and advocates for equal treatment under the law.
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    Re: So if asked, how do you identify?

    Thu, July 16, 2009 - 11:59 AM
    If people ask closed rather than open questions, they only deserve a yes/no answer!

    However, if I like them, and I can be bothered, I'll elaborate on my sexuality, which is fluid, and frankly has a lot more interesting aspects to it than the fact I like cocks and am not currently attracted to pussy (although my level of interest depends a hell of a lot on who the genitals are attatched to!)

    If someone actually uses the words "how do you identify?" I tend to say "as a tattooist" That question is usually about gender, and we both know it. I say it in a joking way and it usually gets a laugh, at the same time as conveying politely that I can't be bothered to have the genderqueer/trans 101 covnversation yet again.

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