Christian Ex-Gay Movement - KQED.org radio - NPR Fresh Air - 10/09/06
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The Christian Ex-Gay Movement -- The show looks at the movement to help gays and lesbians overcome their homosexuality. Terry talks with Tanya Erzen, author of the new book "Straight to Jesus"; Alan Chambers, president of Exodus, the largest Evangelical group devoted to converting homosexuals to heterosexuals; and Shawn O'Donnell, an ex-gay who left Exodus to live again as gay man and whose story was part of the documentary, "Fish Can't Fly."
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Upcoming
Mon, October 9, 2006 -- 1:00pm Pacific (replay 7pm pacific)
The Christian Ex-Gay Movement -- The show looks at the movement to help gays and lesbians overcome their homosexuality. Terry talks with Tanya Erzen, author of the new book "Straight to Jesus"; Alan Chambers, president of Exodus, the largest Evangelical group devoted to converting homosexuals to heterosexuals; and Shawn O'Donnell, an ex-gay who left Exodus to live again as gay man and whose story was part of the documentary, "Fish Can't Fly."
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Re: Christian Ex-Gay Movement - KQED.org radio - NPR Fresh Air - 10/09/06
Tue, October 10, 2006 - 3:06 PMI just do not think this will work becasuse you are born with your sexuality, The difference is whether you choose to act upon your inner desire or pretend something you are not. For those who choose to go through this journey, I really do not understand how they can supress how they really feel.( Just my opinion) What do you think? Those who claim to be cured( It is not a illness, really), I am wondering whether they just want to have some swinging experiences for fun. Love to hear what you think.
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Re: Christian Ex-Gay Movement - KQED.org radio - NPR Fresh Air - 10/09/06
Wed, October 11, 2006 - 2:30 PMThis is an interesting site:
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Re: Christian Ex-Gay Movement - KQED.org radio - NPR Fresh Air - 10/09/06
Fri, January 19, 2007 - 5:35 PMThe part about this whole thing that is really stupid to me is their connection between sexuality and religion. Maybe they should also have an ex-blonde movement or an ex-white movement. An ex-shorter person movement would be cool so I could be a pro basketball player or even an ex-human movement then I could be an angel or something.
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Re: Christian Ex-Gay Movement - KQED.org radio - NPR Fresh Air - 10/09/06
Sun, October 15, 2006 - 10:07 AMthis is such an unbelievable movement. I was very deep into the christian taliban, for many years and gave alot in support of the "new-age" christian movement. However when I came out, I was totally ostriziced and alienated, never once counseled or asked for forgiveness. I even received death threats and lots of comdenation and judging me into hell !!!! The order to keep me off "their property" was valid for a year. These were the open spirited "christians"who preached about not judging one another. They even told me that if I was a FAG that I could not even be human. Now these guys are going to wash your robes, how self rightous. I wonder which group is more "correct" in their evangelizing. I have always known how shallow and extremely hipocrites these saints are. I remember cruizing thru a "cathouse" out in the red .lite district and doing computer checks on car license plates some of those most rightous were there. And I have caught some people of political notoriety in some very compromizing sitiuations they were totally embarassed, during some routine criminal investigations. but actually I never gossiped or being opinionated about their deviant behavior to anyone until now.
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"Ex-Gay" Group Draws Fire From Allies
Sun, October 15, 2006 - 10:09 AM'Ex-Gay' Group Draws Fire From Allies
Backers raise concerns about online postings. One advocated ridicule of nonconforming children; the other seemed to justify slavery.
By Stephanie Simon
Time Staff Writer
October 15, 2006
The National Assn. for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality positions itself as a scientific group dedicated to helping gay men and lesbians shed same-sex attractions and realize their "heterosexual potential."
Its statements routinely outrage gay-rights activists. But two commentaries posted online in recent months by members of NARTH's scientific advisory committee have raised concerns among its closest allies as well.
One psychiatrist called for allowing schoolchildren to shame and ridicule classmates who don't act according to stereotypical gender roles. Another board member, a therapist, asserted that slaves may have been better off in chains than in "savage" Africa.
One of NARTH's scientific advisors has quit in protest, and a prominent therapist has canceled his presentation at the group's annual conference next month. Alan Chambers, who leads the nation's largest support group for "ex-gays," urged NARTH's members to "think long and hard about the mission of the organization."
At issue are comments by Canadian psychiatrist Joseph Berger and New York psychotherapist Gerald Schoenewolf.
In a blog on NARTH's website, Berger expressed disgust with a Northern California school that accommodated a cross-dressing kindergartner and other children with "gender-variant" behaviors. Berger said that instead of teaching tolerance, schools should "let the other children ridicule" boys and girls who don't conform.
"It is a mistake for various interfering, ignorant and biased busybodies to try to 'counsel' the other children into accepting the abnormal," Berger wrote. "It is very healthy to be able to draw the line between what is healthy and what is sick."
Schoenewolf's essay on political correctness not only seemed to justify slavery, it also denounced the gay-rights movement as "mob rule." Using explicit language, Schoenewolf asserted that "the entire planet has now been forced to agree that [homosexuality] is normal."
"This puts a real spotlight on what we're dealing with…. This organization is incredibly reckless and irresponsible," said Wayne Besen, a gay-rights activist who founded a nonprofit, Truth Wins Out, to keep tabs on the ex-gay movement.
NARTH's premise that homosexuality is a disorder that can be overcome through therapy is routinely cited by activists pushing to get the "ex-gay" perspective into public schools. Besen said he hoped the controversies would slow that movement by discrediting the Encino-based organization — and its claim to take a scientific approach to homosexuality. "This is a group of people with some very peculiar, if not dangerous, views," Besen said.
NARTH President Joseph Nicolosi acknowledged that some of the posted comments "were poorly phrased" but said he intended to keep Berger and Schoenewolf on the board.
Both of their commentaries have been removed from the NARTH website. Nicolosi said the group did not support public shaming of children; an official NARTH statement also expressed regret over Schoenewolf's remarks about slavery.
But those apologies have not quelled the controversy.
Therapist Warren Throckmorton, an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College in Pennsylvania, has long been concerned that NARTH overemphasizes poor parenting as the root of homosexuality. He's also uneasy that NARTH rejects even the possibility of a fulfilling life with a same-sex partner.
At the upcoming conference, Throckmorton had hoped to persuade NARTH therapists to adopt the approach he uses, which is to help patients find harmony between their sexual identity and their religious values. For some, that means trying to change their attraction to the same sex; for others, it means finding peace with a gay identity.
"Therapists should not impose their view of the outcome on clients," Throckmorton said.
Late last month, he canceled his presentation, telling NARTH that he feared he would not get "a scholarly consideration" of his approach.
The two groups that regularly stage conferences on "overcoming homosexuality" — Focus on the Family and Exodus International — have both affirmed their support for Nicolosi. But Chambers, the president of Exodus, made clear he disagreed sharply with how NARTH has handled the controversy.
Berger's advice that children with differences be ridiculed "wouldn't be something we would tolerate from someone who was part of our board," said Chambers, who recalls being teased for acting effeminate as a boy. "We have to be very careful about what we say and how we say it. Peoples' emotions, hearts and even lives are at stake."
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stephanie.simon@latimes.com
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Re: "Ex-Gay" Group Draws Fire From Allies
Mon, January 22, 2007 - 10:47 PMAs moderator of this tribe, I find it very difficult not to just delete this thread... simply because I don't think the "ex-gay movement" is even worth acknowledgment... much less, debate. -
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Re: "Ex-Gay" Group Draws Fire From Allies
Mon, January 22, 2007 - 11:59 PMit's important to know our enemies. -
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Tue, January 23, 2007 - 3:26 AM...which is why I refrain. -
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Re: "Ex-Gay" Group Draws Fire From Allies
Tue, January 23, 2007 - 12:40 PMplease do not delete this thread. with the number of responses, it is / has been / may still be an important issue for some here in this tribe.
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